There's an old saying my mother used to use to get me thinking when I was a little boy, it goes like this..."If you pick up a newborn calf and hold it over your head on the day it is born and then you come back to the barn the next day and do the same thing and keep that up every day, then when the calf is grown you'll be able to lift that full grown cow over your head." The wry smile and glint in her eye as she finished the story clued me into her true meaning. My mother wasn't trying to teach me how to become the world's strongest man, she was teaching me how to sniff out a line of bull when I heard it. I think this is a good parable for today and it cogently points out how easy it is for any would be con artist to start with a little fact and turn it into a big lie, that seems factual.
Such is the case with the notion that corporations and rich people pay no taxes (in essence) because any tax levied against them will simply be countered by their increasing their prices for consumers. And so it's said (by Neal Boortz and other rightwing talk show hosts) that if we increase taxes on corporations today, they will simply pass that increase on to the consumer, but this is as big a lie as my mother's cow story. Yes the corporations would like to pass this tax on the consumer in it's entirety and they certainly will try, but there's a little thing in their way called free market capitalism. If the USA had no rules governing commerce and disallowing monopolies in the market place this canard would be true. That is, if one large corporation were able to leverage its wealth and eventually buy out all competition so that this 'super corporation' was the only economic entity in the country, if they sold consumers 100% of the goods they purchase, then yes, they could theoretically charge whatever price they wanted, but this is not the case. We don't allow monopolies in America, although there is a wave of political sentiment (funded by large corporations) pushing us in that direction.
But here are the facts. Pertaining to this idea, income taxes on corporations function in the same manner as individual income taxes and various sales taxes and user fees in our society. One could argue that any sales tax at the grocery store isn't really deducted from the store's gross income because the store just raises prices to get around it, likewise one might argue that the tax on gasoline doesn't come out of the filling stations profits, but the consumer as the tax leads to higher prices. One could say that this formula applies to all taxes even individual income taxes, since in fact we all produce 'something' for the money we earn and if we are taxed at a higher rate might not we all demand more in wages to make up for it?
Proponents of lowering taxes on the wealthy and corporations use the term 'pass thru tax' to describe this supposedly inalienable fact of nature. It sounds sensible and it serves their purpose, but as I will explain here, it's just not true. Sadly, just as it is far easier to break something than to build it, it also takes a lot more work/words to disprove a lie than to tell one, but here goes.
If one assumes that corporations and wealthy business people charge the 'minimum' price for their goods and services in order to garner a profit that would be one thing, but they don't, they charge the 'maximum' price that the market they're in will bear. Any business entity which is operating with the bare minimum in profits to survive would be most tempted to raise prices with increased taxation, that is unless they had some cash reserve and decided to 'ride the storm out' and not raise prices (even in the face of short term losses) in the hopes that business might pickup and increase their profit margin. But in the case of a business entity which is experiencing large profits, even record profits (as oil companies presently are, along with corporations who have outsourced their workforce to cheap foreign labor) the temptation to raise prices to match increased taxation is tempered by the firm knowledge that if they can make do with slimmer profits and keep their prices the same while their competitors are opting to raise prices, then that might well be a formula for their increasing their market share, or sell more of their product and therefore increase their profits even more even in the face of higher taxes. It's called 'free market capitalism'.
We all hunger for 'easy answers' to the difficult questions we face on a daily basis. We wish we could come up with a simple rule of thumb for thorny issues like taxation and then just stick to it and be done with all the analysis of the situation, but in reality that doesn't work. While we may wish we could settle all troublesome matters with one short cogent sentence of wisdom, the truth on the ground is that things are always changing around us and so are the solutions to our problems.
It is an undeniable fact that before the stock market crash in 1929 and the ensuing Great Depression, tax rates in the US for corporations and wealthy individuals were relatively similar to what they are today and the solution FDR and the US Congress turned to in dealing with the dire straits we found ourselves in was to raise taxation on the most wealthy to double and triple what they had been and what they are today. The results? From 1940-1980 the wealthiest Americans paid between 70% and 90% in income taxes. Between 1940-80 we fought and paid for WWII, the Korean War and the Vietnam War, we built our entire US Interstate Expressway system and we went to the MOON six times and we were able to pay for it all in the end with debt and deficits only a fraction of what we are seeing today! That was America at our best, in our shining hour and not only did we set world records for economic growth and for bringing people from poverty to good middle class lifestyles (the American Dream) but we also saw a dramatic increase in the income of wealthy individuals because the US government used the money garnered from taxes to 'invest' in our nation's infrastructure (roads, bridges, highways, hospitals, communications, public education etc.) which created a far superior environment in which business could prosper. Investments like these in major projects are all but undoable without governmental leadership. That's not 'communism' that is common sense capitalism.
Taxation naysayers are fond of pointing out that liberal hero President JFK actually lowered taxes on the wealthy. Yes, the JFK administration did lower the upper income tax bracket on the most wealthy...to 70%. That's double what it is today! In the 1980s President Reagan slashed that tax rate in half and we got along ok for a while. In a growing economy it is possible to lower income taxes and simultaneously increase revenue to the federal government, but it still left us well short of the federal income from taxation that we needed to maintain our high level of investment and maintenance of the nation's infrastructure and it was these types of investments that had led to the forty years of explosive growth in our economy! So we were in fact 'eating our seed corn' so to speak. What that old saying means is this...a farmer might be tempted in the midst of winter to conclude, 'We could save a lot of money now while our income is low if instead of buying food at the store, we just eat our stored up grain. or seed corn.' The only problem is that come spring and the growing season, the farmer has nothing to plant and therefore no crops to harvest and sell later. It's a shortsighted recipe for disaster.
To make things worse, at least when Reagan was in office we still had almost 100% of the manufactured goods we consume produced here in the USA. That meant that despite the lower income taxes all of the money made by the US workers who produce the products we consume 'stayed in the system' and was spent here in the US thereby funding the tax coffers of every city and state. But then came Newt Gingrich and the Republican Revolution. That congress passed super-free trade legislation (with GATT and the WTO) which led inevitably to the loss of most of our manufacturing base and all of the income tax from workers in US manufacturing which had funded the USA so well for so long. It's true that a Democrat president (Bill Clinton) signed these deals while under the the coercion of impeachment over personal malfeasance, but lets keep track of who was really behind this whole thing, it was the Republicans.
June 11, 2011
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Hey Chip,
ReplyDeleteI like that cow story.
I read something by Bruce Bartlett on taxes that surprised the 7734 out of me. Thought it might interest you:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/are-taxes-in-the-u-s-high-or-low/
Art
The effective rate of taxes paid by "The Wealthy" is exactly the same today as it was when the tax rates were 80% - 90%. Here is a little information from the Wikipedia article that you neglected to include in your argument.
ReplyDelete"Hauser's Law states, federal tax revenues will always be equal to approximately 19.5% of GDP, regardless of what the top marginal tax rate is. The theory was first suggested in 1993 by Kurt Hauser, a San Francisco investment economist, who wrote at the time, "No matter what the tax rates have been, in postwar America tax revenues have remained at about 19.5% of GDP."From fiscal year 1946 to fiscal year 2007, federal tax receipts as a percentage of gross domestic product averaged 17.9%, with a range of 14.4% to 20.9%. During the years referred to by Hauser (FY 46 to FY 93), the average was 17.7% and the range was 14.4% to 19.7%"
When the tax rates were so high there were also deductions to do away with those high rates. As the deductions went away, the rates went down. The reason the government was able to pay for the things you mentioned during this time was not because they took in more money from "The Wealthy", it was because we had less "Social Programs" to pay for.
Hauser is Hogwash...It only takes a small percentage increase in federal revenue (as related to GDP) to make a world of difference in the federal coffers and money available for infrastructure investment...WITHIN HIS MARGIN OF ERROR!
ReplyDeleteFrom 1940-80 the wealthiest Americans paid between 70% and 90% in income taxes and that's how we built...the American Dream. LINK TO TAX TABLES. Between 1940-80 we fought and paid for WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, we built our entire US Interstate Expressway system and WE WENT TO THE MOON SIX TIMES-AND WE PAID FOR IT ALL!
Actually, we did not pay for it or there would have been a NATIONAL SURPLUS instead of a NATIONAL DEBT between 1940-80. You do understand that if you owe a debt on something that you have not paid for it?
ReplyDeleteOh, if Hauser is wrong and you are correct, then why aren't there people lining up to follow your distorted economic theory's?
Anon,
ReplyDelete"Actually, we did not pay for it or there would have been a NATIONAL SURPLUS instead of a NATIONAL DEBT between 1940-80."
True. But from 1945 or so the FEDERAL DEBT was falling RELATIVE TO GDP, which is an important consideration. It fell until 1974, stayed pretty flat until 1980, then started going up again.
I take "national" debt to be total debt, public and private. I presume you're not talking about that number.
ArtS
Arthurian,
ReplyDeleteNational debt, Federal debt and Public debt are all three synonymous. Nice try though.
When the International Monetary Fund has to intervene to prevent countries in anticipated defaults, they advise nations to cut government spending. Do you know why? Because raising taxes does not raise revenue. Raising taxes causes spending to go down. Less spending means that businesses have less revenue which means they not only fall into a lower tax bracket (pay less in taxes), but also need less employees (workers taxable income is less so less tax revenue). People now have less money to spend so they then visit the businesses even less which continues the cycle.
The reason why our debts started to climb has nothing to do with the tax rate, it has to do with the social programs we can't afford. For fiscal year 2010, we had $865B in tax receipts for Social Security an Medicare/Medicaid while we paid out $1.5T to these programs. Our total tax receipts were $2.1T so social programs accounted for 70% of our tax revenue. Were it not for these programs, our budget would have had a surplus.
Right Art and to the anonymouse...I mean our debt was being managed in a safe and positive way and our GDP was growing in relation to it. As for why no one is lining up with me...? Actually, as I said, I am simply describing WHAT WE DID DO from 1940-80 with amazing success. These ideas have been made unpopular in the present climate because Corporate America has monopolized AM Talk radio and filled the air with lies.
ReplyDeleteThe only reason this crash didn't put us back on the same track we got on in 1940 (with higher taxes on the wealthy and social programs) is that this time we bailed out Corp. USA. That saved the crash and avoided the clear wake up call we got after 1929, but muddled the waters.
Hey, Chip.
ReplyDelete"...this time we bailed out Corp. USA. That saved the crash and avoided the clear wake up call we got after 1929..."
Yeah. Plus it prevented the destruction of all that private-sector debt. A collapse had to be prevented, I think, because there's just so much debt. But the private sector remains choked-off because of it, and cannot grow. So the outcome is, 1. Things don't get better, and 2. With the waters muddied, there is no agreement on what must be done.
ANON, regarding HAUSER... Bruce Bartlett writes:
"...the average federal income tax rate on the 400 richest people in America was 18.11 percent in 2008, according to the Internal Revenue Service, down from 26.38 percent when these data were first calculated in 1992. Among the top 400, 7.5 percent had an average tax rate of less than 10 percent, 25 percent paid between 10 and 15 percent, and 28 percent paid between 15 and 20 percent."
Chip,
ReplyDeleteFrom 1940 - 1980, our average percentage of debt to GDP was 49.5%. From 1980 - 2008 the average percentage was 39.0%. These numbers come from the CBO and not some crackpot's blog. As of 2010 it is now 58.6% and increased 18.6% since Obama became president.
Here are the numbers for you
Year Debt % of GDP Tax Rate
1930 16.5% 25%
1940 42.7% 68%
1950 73.7% 91%
1960 44.8% 89%
1970 28.2% 70%
1980 26.2% 70%
Art,
Bartlett did not look at the what the income in 2008 was for these people when he picked them. He took the 400 richest americans (Again overall weath and not income they made in 2008) and looked at their tax rates. So let me put this in a way you can understand. Say I am worth $1B and most of my worth is invested. So as we know, investments took a beating in 2008 so I would have major losses in my investments that year. These losses when applied would lower the amount I had to pay in income taxes thus lowering my percentage of income tax paid.
Whatta lotta blah blah blah...
ReplyDeleteSenior Blank can mix apples, oranges and balloon animals all day, but history is history and facts are facts.
We've seen American capitalism succeed and seen it fail. My policies succeeded and his failed. Nations which take a bigger share of the private sector pie and invest in their own infrastructure and safety nets (Germany) do great and we are sucking wind...When corporate America took our manufacturing jobs to China the corp's tripled in value and we the people sunk, slowly at first then very quickly. So now the corp's will just have to pay us back. Period. Don'tcha just love seeing that ad for the high speed rail in China PAID FOR IN THE USA.
Economic Crazy Talk, Facts all Over the Place
Can we all just start together at some point in history and look this thing over?
Can we all agree that the free trade deals sent our jobs to China?
Let's start there...
The bad news is that we lost all of that income and all the redistribution of that earned income directly back into our economy, all that left us. And too the income taxes that would have been paid by those jobs to our government was lost as well.
The good News is that Corporate America tripled in value last time I looked.
The stock market tripled in value in a few short years and it's still up there today. That means that Corporate America has increased in value by 300% since the GATT and WTO were starting to percolate.
Now what's a poor nation to do?
Take back some of that 200% too much that corporate america has swindled from us, through our tax system. Period. Who else should pay it? They sent our jobs away. Were we ever supposed to compete with dollar an hour wages in Asia?
Typical Chip. When faced with facts, you spin your tirade in another direction. Ok, I will play along. Yes our manufacturing jobs went overseas because labor is cheaper. But why is labor cheaper overseas? Well one reason is because there is less regulation. Another is because with overseas workers, corporations aren't forced by unions to pay $50 an hour for a $10 an hour job. Add to this that corporations have to make a profit while consumers demand to pay $5 for a widget that would cost $10 to make in the U.S. and it only makes sense to go with a cheaper labor force.
ReplyDeleteSo now you have less people in the U.S. working and paying income taxes. This causes tax revenue to decrease and reliance on Social Programs by people to increase. But raising taxes isn't going to help because the cost will be passed on by either increasing prices for goods or outsourcing more jobs. Import tariffs are not the answer either because countries we export to will answer in kind which will have the same effect as raising taxes.
As for the value of the corporations increasing,
DOLLAR AN HOUR WAGES DUDE...PBR (Please be real.)
ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteOn the Bartlett thing, I just thought it was interesting. And the numbers I thought were for the most part close to what you said.
In your recent comment you said a thing I was gonna say:
"So now you have less people in the U.S. working and paying income taxes. This causes tax revenue to decrease and reliance on Social Programs by people to increase..."
Yeah. I see a lot of the government spending as stop-gap measures, to help people out until the economy gets better. So the Social Programs are at least in part a *result* of the economic problem.
The problem isn't the Social Programs. The problem is, they don't know how to fix the economic problem.